. I called Stephens and informed him Lindell had mentioned him in a sermon. Last week GW was desperately trying to give away as many copies as possible of some book COO Tom Lane wrote called Letters From a Dad to a Graduate. We are dedicated to making a difference in the lives of people through relevant teaching, heartfelt worship, and amazing kids & youth programs. I recently darkened the doors of a very small church in another city. . http://www.mercyministries.org/, though she scrubbed some posts referring to her involvement when it was hillsong ministries mercy ministries there are still a few unscrubs left here and there. During this pandemic we have helped thousands of people with food, financial assistance, counsel, and spiritual encouragement. instead i find now that the Lord uses other christians to confirm things He has shown me, instead of the Lord teaching me things that others say i should believe and me just accepting them as the word of God because the guy has a position or written a book or is promoted by other pastors. there is a scripture somewhere that says i wont speak against Gods annointed, which was david re saul i believe, and people have used this (or churches have used this to keep people quiet) as a reason to never say anything about church abuse. Whenever I hear Mark Driscolls name, a passage keeps popping in my mind Beware of Alexander the coppersmith he has done us much harm. Driscoll and his potty-mouth preaching made an everlasting mark on 21st century church in America. All he has to do is say "I repent" and it has to be forgiven and forgotten or we are the meanies. If it is all about numbers and money it would be a wild ride for about five or ten years till it crashes. That does not even mention the eradication of those who did not agree and his cognitive dissonance concerning Hiroshima and working to bring USSR Nuclear missles in Cuba claiming it would be good to use them on Imperialist American. appeciate your posts and the others on this blog, i remember that, thanks Van, for the reminder. Bob, I loved your comment. In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. Do you know his history and what he represents? It is all choreographed and it works! It was never presented to me as something evil just something totally unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Adultery, stealing, cheating, being abusive, being a drunkard can also keep you out of heaven.". actually Jesus spoke to people He had healed early in His ministry and told them not to tell everyone, they did anyway and He spent the rest of His ministry having crowds pressing against Him and having to go hide sometimes. The world has a lot higher standards and integrity than the whole xtian celebrity machine put together, and the internet helps everyone to see that. Mark also provided the all important yet elusive authentic community So this is kinda what we do So in Africa we partnered and we have an orphanage there that now has I think it is 32 kids and 140 people in Mars Hill give monthly to help support them. If a pastor makes a statement denying allegations, its a lie. Paul spent three years in the desert to become reprogrammed by God. Mega-church Christianity with its rock bands, light shows, huge screens, and glitz reminds me more of Broadway than a church. Ditto Bent Meyer who opposed the consolidation of powerful. © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. 14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. So far I define church as more what it isnt rather than what it is. I had never heard someone talk like that. He is a draw. Its kind of like that movie Winters Bone where the communities are closed to a fault. Yep. He looked at me kindly and slightly amused and said, thats okay. Personally I do not believe God would ever anoint a blatant false teacher. He is young and using Jesus is all he knows. As for my outsider perspective he seems like someone youd want as a pastor if you wanted to get big and have lots of revenue streams. I dont want other people having that same regret. 4 Ways of Discerning If You Have Left Jesus Behind. MD should never have been a pastor based on how much contempt he has for his fellow man. ), Warren Throckmorton quickly put up a post on this development and featured the following video. I hope you found some of the above helpful. And shame on these preachers at these churches giving MD a platform to relaunch his church-related career. Join us for life-giving worship, encouraging stories and testimonies, and a powerful message from Pastor John. I gave Lindell a chance to respond to that tally. *MD and Mark Demoss calculated an irresistible snow job, tailored just for pentecostalworld (who are generally open to things without empirical proof). So quick question if anyone wants to take a whack at it. People think that Christians want filled pews and big churches, most do, i strongly disagree with that. (This was all before the sex sermons and book.) Christian institutions are trying to express an organic Jesus in non-organic structures. He dropped the moral bar for both pulpit and pew that has far reaching consequences on the way we do church. I take it to mean: Don't feel so bad, there are whole lot of other people hell-bound, too. http://godsbreath.net/2007/11/07/qualifications-for-pastors/, A few items: A preacher is not to be- In case this was not a rhetorical question, Mark also provided the all important yet elusive authentic community. I know people are tired of hearing these messages and having to be acting upon them, but the virus does not care that we are tired. I have also heard the thoroughly abusive interpretation of Psalm 105:15 touch not my anointed ones, do my prophets no harm. He was defended and protected by his peers and they even tried to help him plant a church here and give it street cred but his family of churches franchise is over for him and he is lucky if 50 people show (mostly SGM followers and family) up for his church in a room at the Marriot not far from where I live. If so you may be onto something. I would lay 50 to 1 odds that a change in MD will be announced and proved to be a change in words not a change in behavior! But they dont work unless everybody actually sticks to them faithfully without exception, Collinssaid. Your mistake is in assuming that Driscoll was there to deliver a sermon. Same type of focus you describe without the healing stuff. I have always found this aspect of Pauls story very interesting. Your comment about magic words reminded me of Simon the Magician in Acts who was so popular and had all kinds of attention because of his magic performances. Others appear to draw some type of inspiration from Driscoll. It didnt occur to me because I havent seen that modeled in a very long time. I think the guys a jerk and theres plenty of evidence out there for it. I am not surprised he is mobilizing his church, which packs a powerful political punch through the sheer number of members and, I believe, their commitment to vote. stephen is suffering for doing right. How can a reasonable person look past that? All you have to do is say some magic words and we end up being the mean ones if dare say we otherwise. We are passionate about . He was not participating in stonings. This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. So, I read what he wrote, I listened to his speeches, sermons, etc. Seriously? Unless he completely revamps his life and his teachings, hes going to leave damaged lives in his wake. I do hope he finds wholeness. one person, after 6 months finally started to say why they didnt attend gateway anymore and it made me wonder why people dont warn others. I was shocked and deeply saddened to see photos from the James River event over the weekend. Lindell has expressed his views on the topic before. They sing and wave their arms and hug and praise other givers. Until Mark repents of his Peasant Princess series along with its cartoon, and his Esther series, and his man stay-at-home man fail rants, the only sermon I will listen to of his and his supporters is John 3:16. Excellent comment! They knew exactly what they were buying. since we are all clergy??? Lydia on Sat Jun 13, 2015 at 12:48 Whatever is going through Marks head, he is bent on getting people to listen to him again and to be heard. The last time Robert Morris met and greeted anyone as part of his service he still had his braces/retainer on. But the Pipers, Mohlers, Akins and others saw him as someone really catching the attention of the young guystheir followers. Yes, well, my sense of humor doesnt always translate well in the blogosphere . We hunkered down and prepared ourselves for the impact of Mark Driscolls threat. your comments are great. There are now more single adults in the U.S.A. than married couples, but churches (even the mega ones) keep going after the married folks. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/07/hillsong-pastor-brian-houston-found-fathers-sex-abuse-confession-agonising I could not exactly put my finger on what was wrong. . http://www.smh.com.au/national/hillsong-conference-shows-interview-with-controversial-us-pastor-mark-driscoll-20150630-gi1y6d.html, As a follow-up (Sydney Morning Herald 1 July 2015), Hillsong conference shows interview with controversial US Pastor, Mark Driscoll. @ Lydia: when the pastor first says, his humility he almost breaks out laughing (cause maybe he knows how stupid it is to say that). (I saw a guy do this on a live stage in England once, on a YouTube video. I believe these churches are using Driscoll as fallen pastor insurance. There is a distinct period of time that must pass before you can really objectively address the damage that that place does. 33 And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull, I am haunted by that infamous message where he appeared to use a Bible passage to describe what was about to happen to two Mars Hill elders. Church Discipline I believe in forgiveness, but cautious about putting such folks back on the platform. If you become used to a certain standard of living, that does not mean you are entitled to that standard of living. The prophets in that verse are likewise OT prophets and also refers only to physical harm. The true character of a man shows when you see how he treats those with less power who depend on him for his income. Because 12 years ago Walter Salles made an awesome movie about him called The Motorcycle Diaries starring the gentle heartthrob Gael Garcia Bernal as Che. I believe these churches are using Driscoll as fallen pastor insurance. Mind you I find Driscoll a tool in case I havent made that obvious. peaceable disposition. Im a done for now but that one meeting made we wonder if I could someday find a narrow gate church like the cult expert said. The SGM defenders used the no criminal charges aspect of innocence, too, when it came to CJ. Over the next two Sundays he will continue to remind people to vote Yes and to take a Yes sign for their yard. That was not my intention. I admit that I am rather skeptical of James River's reliability now, most of this information was new to me. The best thing about it is one young woman had incredible courage. During those early years they had a great impact on hurting people and a great testimony of the work of the Lord in a group of people dedicated to doing whatever He led them to do. Bob, I loved your comment. i was looking for my link to Rob Smiths orphanage and found that he has recently posted a great response to those propping up Mark Driscoll. There is no reason why he should be a pastor again. Mark Driscoll was totally missing those things. This guy had his audience eating out of the palms of his hands. The women say as part of the program they were taught to believe that they were possessed by the devil, and have since been forced to receive years of professional psychiatric treatment. (the homes), just a few helpful links re: hillsong lol, http://www.news.com.au/national/hillsong-church-linked-to-abuse-claims/story-e6frfkp9-1111115815321. Now I am working on something for Monday. These Pentecostals keep insisting that almost everything written on the internet about Mark Driscoll isnt even close to the truth. What I dont get is that those pastors dont care if they look completely dishonest in their statements. They are used to being believed no matter what they say. They have a very different take on the fulfillment of prophecy that you may enjoy learning as a contrast with your own beliefs. We know that Driscoll should never have been a pastor: lack of formal qualifications, lack of maturity in the faith (too young, and never been a member of a church before he started his own), lack of maturity in general; James River Church, a multi-campus, 17,000-member megachurch in Missouri, is now fending off strong criticism from the public and health officials after pictures posted on social media showed what appear to be hundreds of unmasked people, practicing very little social distancing packed inside their Springfield location to participate in Christmas services. Hasnt it been around long enough that either people (especially younger guys) are sick of it, or they have finally realized its harmful or obnoxious? The problem is that the average pew-sitter has no idea what things a leader should be judged by, and they merely judge based on either looks, speaking ability, or how fun the service is. I just think that there is not much reason to listen to just his side of the story and think that is all there may be to it. Has he asked them to forgive him? Missouri church service Saturday evening. Others appear to draw some type of inspiration from Driscoll. You sure would think so, but to quote H.L. It is a winner! And i honestly had no idea that that phrase was in there. Even after becoming a believer he wanted more. So, that is why I think it would have been wise for Driscoll to remove himself from the limelight and assume a servant posture. After surrendering more than 10% of your gross income for years you are tens of thousands of dollars into them at that point and that can really bolster all the cognitive dissonance you feel and strangely work to prevent your leaving. any way i am still wrestling with my view of my world and churches and like you mentioned, gun shy when i go into a new church. Three women have now blown the whistle on a program operated by the Ministry, including allegations they entered as independent people, however came out of the program as broken and suicidal.
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